A bit of advice on doing business in China

An expatriate living in China sent me a copy of The Australian’s Goodwill Offers a Rich Yield by Greg Rudd.  The commentary was published in that newspaper back in May 2009.

However, what Greg Rudd says is just as important today as it was then regardless of the few negative voices that left comments.

I find it interesting that the negative comments from such as “lao de lao ren” and “RN of Canberra” may be from ignorant individuals that do not realize that the US Founding Fathers despised “democracies” and built a “republic” where only white male property owners (excluding Jews) could vote—about 10% of the 3.9 million people counted in the first U.S. Census of 1790, and 90% were farmers.  That number included almost 700,000 slaves in the land of the free. That means about 320,000 may have been eligible to vote.

“RN of Canberra” even compared China to Hitler’s Nazi Germany, which isn’t even close. There is no comparison. Today’s China is a much safer place to live than Nazi Germany was and there are no signs that China plans to go out and wage war against the rest of the world or set up gas chambers and start killing people as the Nazis did.

Both “lao de lao ren” and “RN of Canberra” express that China should become a democracy. Well, the CCP has about 80 million members and they do vote in addition to the 600 million rural Chinese that vote in elections for village political posts such as mayor. That’s more than 10% of the population.

In fact, the first time the US was officially called a democracy was by President Woodrow Wilson more than a century after the US was founded. Why, after the Civil War, veterans were known as the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR)—not the Grand Army of a Democracy.

Presidents John Adams and Thomas Jefferson both said democracy was no better than mob rule, which explains why the Founding Fathers created the Electoral College to select presidents and why George W Bush lost the popular vote to Al Gore but became president anyway.

Greg Rudd offers some advice about China in his commentary.

He says, “My mother taught me when you walk into someone’s house you shouldn’t be rude. You may not like what you see sometimes, and advice and suggestions can be given in the right spirit and in the right atmosphere, but always remember it is not your house.

“When we are in China’s house we should show respect and when they are in our house they should show respect.”

Greg Rudd is managing director of GPR Asia, based in Beijing. GPR advises on investment and joint ventures.

GPR Asia works with Asian companies who wish to invest/joint venture/merge or acquire companies in Australia and/or with Australian companies that wish to invest/joint venture/ merge or acquire companies within the Asian region.

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Lloyd Lofthouse is the award-winning author of The Concubine Saga. When you love a Chinese woman, you marry her family and culture too. This is the love story Sir Robert Hart did not want the world to discover.

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2 Responses to A bit of advice on doing business in China

  1. TROLL ALERT:

    To read the original comment left by this troll, you may click on the following link, and there will be a link back to this page. I have taken five of the claims made by this Troll and answered them here.

    http://ilookchina.net/2010/01/28/studying-troy-parfitt-using-his-own-words-and-the-opinion-of-others/comment-page-1/#comment-18393

    CLAIM ONE: “How does china’s extermination of Tibetans differ from that of Hitler?”

    No evidence from any source other than Tibetan separatists (and their supporters) living in self-imposed exile in India, who represent about 1% of all Tibetans, make these unsupported claims.

    If you want to know the truth, this report goes into detail of how many died in Tibet after the CCP occupied that area and the reasons. And yes, people did die in Tibet during Mao’s rule but then people died all over China during the purges and the Cultural Revolution so the suffering was not limited to Tibet.

    “China is not only the most populous country in the world, but also a multinational country with 56 ethnic groups. Tibetans (4.6 million in 1990) ranked in number as the ninth largest minority group. The Tibet question has attracted wide publicity in the Western media in recent years. The Chinese government is frequently criticised for political oppression and human rights violation in Tibet, particularly in three population-related areas: genocide, forced birth control programmes and population transfer. Surprisingly, international demographic circles show little interest in these controversies. This paper aims to re-examine the myths and facts about the Tibetan population in China, in an attempt to achieve a better understanding of the Tibet question as a whole.

    Conclusion:
    “Despite the wide publicity given to several major population-related issues concerning Tibet, the international demographic circles have shown surprisingly little interest in these controversies. This paper has aimed to re-examine the myths and facts about Tibetan population in China from a different angle. The main conclusions are:

    • the `genocide’ myth, or the suggestion that China has tried to wipe out the Tibetan population, is not supported by indirect estimates on Tibetan mortality;

    • the `forced birth control’ allegation lacks solid demographic foundation, the Tibetan population having experienced an unprecedented growth since the early 1960s;

    • Tibetans are still overwhelmingly dominant in the TAR but slightly less than half the population in other Tibetan prefectures in neighbouring provinces; but

    • the number of non-Tibetans transferring into ethnographic Tibet is on the rise, an increase triggered primarily by structural transformation and the Government’s modernisation policy.”

    Source: https://case.edu/affil/tibet/booksAndPapers/tibetan.population.in.china.pdf

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    CLAIM TWO: “Try and chant a pro-democracy song at tianenman and see if you dont get disappeared.”

    Yes, it is true that pro-democracy activists protesting in public in China who do not heed the warnings by CCP police are arrested in China and may end up in prison, but the Chinese constitution spells out that such public expression is illegal in China. My wife and I know one individual who was a pro-democracy activist and she was warned to stop or else. The CCP agents picked her up and took her to tea and told her politiely that she would go to prison if she did not stop. It is a fact that in China, the Chinese do not have the same privileges that US citizens have in America when it comes to freedom of expression.

    In fact, there are many countries in the world that do not have First Amendment protections that are offered by the Constitution of the US. If you don’t like it, stay out of China and protest from a country that offers you the right to protest without the danger of being arrested and tossed in prison. In China, the public schools teach the Chinese Constution so most or all Chinese know that if they go to a place such as Tiananmen Sqaure and protest, they risk being arrested.
    I’m sure that we will find many peolpe that do not like the laws as they are written in China’s Constittuion, but I’mj sure we will find laws in the United States that are not popular too.

    “Article 28. The state maintains public order and suppresses treasonable and other counter- revolutionary activities; it penalizes actions that endanger public security and disrupt the socialist economy and other criminal activities, and punishes and reforms criminals.”

    This link will take you to the Chinese Constitution translated to English:

    Source: http://english.people.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html

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    CLAIM THREE: “The chicoms are now enlisting 2 millin paid commie shills to sway public opinion.”

    True but every country and/or political party does the same thing. What CCP does to maintain order and avoid a violent revolution is no secret, and I suspect that the CCP has more than two million people working to influence public opinion. I mean, in your TROLL comment, you lie and exaggerate most of the time spewing propaganda, exaggerations and lies making you no different than the CCP.

    And how is this different from all the lies spread by the Democratic and Republican Parties in the United States during the 2012 Presidential elections between President Obama and Romney.

    If you want to learn more about how public opinion is influenced in the United States by political factions spreading lies, then check out this post that I wrote on one of my other Blogs:

    http://lloydlofthouse.org/2012/10/27/ranking-romney-and-obama/

    Then there is Fact Check.org: http://www.factcheck.org/

    I think it is wonderful that in the United States, the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution protects US citizens from its own government so people can have a site such as Fact Check.org to turn to. However, China is not the United States any more than Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Thailand, Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan are. Every country has different laws and limitations on the freedoms of its citizen even the United States, which explains why America has more people in prison than any country on the planet.

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    CLAIM FOUR: “As a matter of fact, how does the killing of up to 100 million Chinese by Chinese differ from anythng Hitler did.”

    First, there is no evidence that 100 million Chinese were arrested and marched into death camps and murdered by the CCP as Hitler’s Nazi’s deliberately murdered about 21 million killed by democide during World War II.

    And the number of deaths that happened in China after 1950 range from 3.5 million to 16 million, to 20 million, to 30 million, to 45 million to 70 million. The number most scholars agree on is 20 million. You are the first one I’ve read that claims 100 million were killed. It seems that as the years go by the number of deaths during the Mao era grows like a weed. During the Cultural Revolution, most of the deaths were by suicide. There were executions and people did die in the labor camps but people die everyday for many reasons in every country. We cannot blame deaths all of the CCP. My wife spent three years in a labor camp and the only executions she knows of were for being found guilty of rape even if the person did not really committ rape but only fell in love with a girl who fell in love with him, which was forbidden at that time.

    In fact, my wife has an uncle who was arrested in 1950 because he was a Nationalist KMT police Chief and he spent forty years in a prison camp before he was released. He’s still alive and living in Shanghai on a meager pension. I met him. Yes, millions died in those political prison camps during the Mao era, but they died from disease and hard work and were not marched into ovens and gas chambers to deliberatly erase them from the earth as the Nazi’d did to the Jews of Europe.

    In addition, there is no evidence that the CCP did what Stalin did. American historian Timothy Snyder speaks of “3.3 million Soviet citizens (mostly Ukrainians) deliberately starved by their own government in Soviet Ukraine in 1932-1933. No evidence exists other than claims that Mao deliberate starved his own people.

    In fact, evidence suggests that as soon as it was accepted in Beijing that people were dying of starvation in rural areas of several of China’s provinces due to crop losses brought on by drought and failed government policies during the Great Leap Forward, the CCP cancelled that program early and bought wheat from Australia, France and Canada but it takes time to buy and ship wheat from around the world and then get that wheat to the rural people that were starving. My wife remembers being hungry in Shanghai during this time because food was scare due to the drought and the mismanaged bungling of CCP officials during the Great Leap Forward.

    You may want to read my fact supported posts on this topic:

    http://ilookchina.net/2010/01/28/chinas-great-famine-1959-1961-viewed-as-single-page/

    http://ilookchina.net/2010/01/28/maos-alleged-guilt-in-the-land-of-famines-viewed-as-single-page/

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    CLAIM FIVE: “arent you the troll who used to while away his days posting on China Daily as Archie Bunker Inc?”

    No, I have never written or posted anything for the China Daily as Archie Bunker Inc or as anyone else, and anyone who reads iLookChina.org regularly knows that my goal is to strive for balance supported with facts and avoid claims, lies and exaggerations similar to this Troll who resorts to insults and name calling.

    Then there is the fact that I have had anonymous trolls hiding his or her identity a number of times using Archie Bunker’s name intended as an insult of some kind revealing that the Troll is either very young or not an American. Any American that watched “All in the Family” with Carroll O’Connor playing Archie Bunker would know he was an anti-communist, and a bigot but a complex character because he was a hardworking, loving father and husdband and a basically decent man whose views were merely a product of the era and working-class envionrment in which he had been raised. I think you are not an American and since your IP address shows you are located in San Francisco, I suspect you are an immigrant living in China Town who supports the Tibetan seperatist movement.

    If you are going to use Archie Bunker as a Troll insult, you should at least know who you are referring to.

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