On October 30, 1938, H.G. Wells’ The War of the Worlds was broadcast in the style of a radio news story with bulletins from reporters played by actors in the Mercury Theater, which resulted in hundreds if not thousands believing the earth was being invaded by Mars.
The excuse used to invade Vietnam and escalate the Vietnam War was the Tonkin Gulf Incident, which never happened as President Johnson claimed. This hoax led to the long war in Vietnam (1955 – 1975) with millions of troops and civilians killed and injured. Sources: The National Security Archive, Shakesville, and American USSR
Since 1950, when the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of China invaded and reoccupied Tibet, we have been told repeatedly by our leaders, Hollywood celebrities and the Western media that Tibet was never a part of China before 1950, which was proven to be a lie by letters written in the 19th century by Sir. Robert Hart.
More evidence (that we do not hear of in the media) was published in the October 1912 National Geographic Magazine.
Now, Wiki Leaks reveals that the Tiananmen Square incident may be one of the biggest hoaxes in Western Media history or manipulation of the media by the U.S. government on a grand scale.
This revelation of the Tiananmen Square slaughter “that never happened” is big news in China, but in the West it is almost non-news.
After doing a Google search, it appears that only one Western media source published this story on June 4, 2011, and that was the UK’s The Daily Telegraph (to read the story click on the link).
To learn of this, I had to receive an e-mail from friends (American citizens) visiting China as tourists.
Wiki Leaks obtained cables that originally came from the US embassy in Beijing during the Tiananmen Square Incident, which partially confirms the Chinese government’s claim that PLA troops did not massacre demonstrators inside Tiananmen Square.
Why the hoax? One answer may be found in What is the Truth about Tiananmen Square?
I wonder how many more Western media and U.S. government lies will be discovered in the future.
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Tibet was independant between 1912-1950.
Fred,
Yes, Tibet was independent between 1912 – 1950. I’ve mentioned that fact a number of times on this Blog.
Can you answer why?
Can you answer who stationed troops in Tibet and ruled Tibet before 1912 and for how long?
Can you describe the government of Tibet before 1912 and who appointed the political governors there?
Can you answer what was happening in China in 1912 that caused China not to react to Tibet’s claim for independence when it broke away from China at the British Empires urging?
Can you describe what life was like in Tibet up to 1950?
What was the average life expectancy in Tibet in 1950 and what is it today?
Who ruled Tibet between 1912 – 1950?
Were there slaves/serfs in Tibet serving a small portion of the population known as landowners who fled Tibet in 1950 to set up housekeeping in India and start free Tibet movements?
All of those questions have been answered on this Blog.
Adtually collectivisation under Mao Ze Dong meant 100 percent of farmers were serfs because they basically worked on land to reach a government taret. Wheras, if we are to go by Wikipedia, the number of actual slaves in Tibet was very small. There was a caste system, and most of the people were semi free or free. Read wiki.
You seem ro ask about ten different questions almost pleading with me to empathize with the party line.
Why dont you try empathizing with the Wiki line, which shows Tibetan society as mostly free.
Tibet is near India and society was poor.
If we had invested in Tibet it would have improved,just as the whole world did.
You think China had a big life expectancy before 1950?
It didnt.
Colectiivsation is complete serfdom. Tibet had partial serfdom.
Answer that one if you will.
Fred,
I’d rather refer to the October 1912 issue of The National Geographic Magazine (NGM) that paints a more realistic picture of Tibet. I’m sure that between 1907 and 1949, Tibet did not change any as it was still isolated from much of the world. The first railroad and paved road to Tibet was built by the PLA and the CCP after 1950.
That issue of NGM had a piece written by Shaoching H. Chuan, M.D. (not a Communist), who was sent to Tibet by the last Ching Emperor in 1907 to serve there as a doctor for two years, and he goes into great detail (with photographs) about the conditions of life and politics in Tibet at the time painting us a vivid image of the real Tibet and not one that comes from biased Western sources planted on Wiki.
You may want to find a copy of the actual magazine now that it is 100 years old. I paid $20 on e-bay for my original copy a few years ago.
Fred,
You mislead people with your biased opinions. A serf is a laborer bound under the feudal system to work on his lord’s estate–most of the profits benefit the lord or capitalist land owner. That description fits Tibet up to 1949 but does not describe China or Tibet after 1949.
In China between 1958 and 1961, the communal system was set up at the time of the Great Leap Forward were communal collectives. It was meant to be a five-year experiment that turned into a disaster and was ended before the five year plan was over. As soon as the CCP’s leaders in Beijing were aware of the catastrophe that was being hidden from them by false reports, they stopped exporting food and started buying wheat from countries like Australia, Canada and France.
In fact, when China asked the US for help, the US government refused to sell food to China hoping that the starvation, suffering and deaths would lead to unrest and cause the people to overthrow the Communist Party so the Nationalist Party in Taiwan could return to rule over China.
Thankfully, Australia, Canada and France all refused to cooperate with the US and let more people in China starve to death and sold wheat to China to end the suffering.
Mao did not decide to starve his people to death for whatever reason. There is no evidence of that. Mao’s doctor said in his memoir of Mao, which was critical of Mao, that he did not believe Mao knew how bad it was in those rural provinces until after Mao sent troops from the PLA into rural areas to report back to him what was going on. Mao was paranoid and did not trust many people, but he did trust the troops that guarded him.
Due to a lack of proper rain leading to crop losses in several provinces in addition to food that the CCP thought was an excess because of inflated crop yield reports from the provinces, there was a shortage of food leading to famine and the deaths of millions. Estimates are that the deaths were somewhere between 16.5 million and 40 million.
Today, rural farm land is jointly owned by the government and the rural peasants that work that land. Those rural farmers live in small villages and work small plots of land. There is no landlord collecting rent. There is no mortgage payment. There is no property tax. In fact, there is no serfdom because hundreds of millions of Chinese that worked on these small rural farms migrated to cities to work in factories without being forced to migrate.
Sorry,that was unfair. Let my first comment stand.
As for my argument, yes, its a fair response,but still implies that the CCP clasically mete out harsh and violent justice to perceived threats.
Everyone knew the Great Leap was a failure; the crops failed, the cow-shit steel failed, the policy failed and starvation ensued. Its not a hoax.
Why didnt the government publish a true lis of names of how many died in the train crash?
I know from CCP contacts in Sichuan that the number of earthquake deaths was greatly understated, as was the recent number of flood deaths.
Nice to know someone on the inside lol as Jim Morrison once said,
‘ Ive got friends inside’
Fred,
“The CCP classically mete out harsh and violent justice to perceived threats.”
And the US didn’t do this in Iraq starting a war based on a lie that Iraq was a threat to the world and the US, because it was supposed to have weapons of mass destruction that it did not have?
Why hasn’t the US listed the names of everyone killed in Iraq since the war started?
Because the US has not released the names all of the dead caused by the war in Iraq, there are several estimates of the Iraqi Casualty figures ranging from 105,052 civilian deaths to as high as more than one million deaths.
Here’s a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
I will not presume to answer for why China’s government does not behave as you feel it should. How about India? Why does India shoot so many people that attempt to slip across the border from Bangladesh to India and back again? It may seem that I am changing the topic. However, what I am doing, is pointing out that there are other countries, even so-called superior democracies that mete out harsh and violent justice to perceived threats.
“In flagrant violations of international norms and treaties, Indian Border Security Forces shoot and kill unarmed Bangladeshi civilians in the border areas and, on occasion, even inside Bangladeshi territories.”
“A Human Rights Watch investigation found killings on both sides of the fence, as well as beatings, torture, kidnappings and rampant corruption.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/indias-border-force-has-crossed-the-line-20120420-1xc5g.html#ixzz27RghMkoq
Have you complained about what countries such as India have done and are still doing? Or are you one of those that only focuses on China?
How effective is China at stopping violence in the civilian sector? One example would be Macao. Before Macao was handed back to China, the gangs there were having shooting turf wars. It wasn’t safe on the streets. Innocent people were getting killed. Before China took over, there was a meeting where all the gang leaders had to sit down with a Party boss who told them what would happen if they kept shooting at each other. The day the CCP took back Macao, the shooting in the streets stopped. Macao is thriving today as a gambling, tourist mecca that is more profitable than Las Vegas and US corporations have hotels and casinos operating there.
However, in the US, how many die and/or suffer annually from the turf wars among street/youth gangs? Do you know? Here are a few pull quotes from the FBI’s 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment – Emerging Trends.
There are approximately 1.4 million Active Street, prison, and OMG gang members comprising more than 33,000 gangs in the United States.
Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. Major cities and suburban areas experience the most gang-related violence. Local neighborhood-based gangs and drug crews continue to pose the most significant criminal threat in most communities. Aggressive recruitment of juveniles and immigrants, alliances and conflict between gangs, the release of incarcerated gang members from prison, advancements in technology and communication, and Mexican Drug Trafficking Organization (MDTO) involvement in drug distribution have resulted in gang expansion and violence in a number of jurisdictions.
Gangs are increasingly engaging in non-traditional gang-related crime, such as alien smuggling, human trafficking, and prostitution. Gangs are also engaging in white-collar crime such as counterfeiting, identity theft, and mortgage fraud, primarily due to the high profitability and much lower visibility and risk of detection and punishment than drug and weapons trafficking.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment
To grasp what violent crime looks like that is caused by these street gangs in the US, we turn to another FBI report that breaks this down in detail. If you do the math, you will discover just how great the US legal system is at protecting its citizens. Then compare those numbers to China but do not forget China has more than four times the people on less land.
■In 2010, an estimated 1,246,248 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 6.0 percent from the 2009 estimate.
■When considering 5- and 10-year trends, the 2010 estimated violent crime total was 13.2 percent below the 2006 level and 13.4 percent below the 2001 level.
■There were an estimated 403.6 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010.
■Aggravated assaults accounted for the highest number of violent crimes reported to law enforcement at 62.5 percent. Robbery comprised 29.5 percent of violent crimes, forcible rape accounted for 6.8 percent, and murder accounted for 1.2 percent of estimated violent crimes in 2010.
■Information collected regarding type of weapon showed that firearms were used in 67.5 percent of the Nation’s murders, 41.4 percent of robberies, and 20.6 percent of aggravated assaults. (Weapons data are not collected for forcible rape.) (See Expanded Homicide Data Table 7, Robbery Table 3, and the Aggravated Assault Table.)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/violent-crime
■An estimated 14,748 persons were murdered nationwide in 2010. This was a 4.2 percent decrease from the 2009 estimate, a 14.8 percent decrease from the 2006 figure, and an 8.0 percent decrease from the 2001 estimate.
■In 2010, there were 4.8 murders per 100,000 inhabitants, a 4.8 percent decrease from the 2009 rate. Compared with the 2006 rate, the murder rate decreased 17.4 percent, and compared with the 2001 rate, the murder rate decreased 15.0 percent. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)
■Nearly 44 percent (43.8) of murders were reported in the South, the most populous region, with 20.6 percent reported in the West, 19.9 percent reported in the Midwest, and 15.6 percent reported in the Northeast. (See Table 3.)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/murdermain
I doubt that as long as the CCP rules China with its “harsh and violent justice to perceived threats” that we will ever see anything close to this kind of gang activity in China.
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Ok. I’ll check there for info. One major problem I see is their tightening the restrictions so much and not dishing out info. People still come here thinking it’s easy to land a job and everything, but the amount of tricksters here is beyond belief. Add that you pretty much need a degree and grade A resume to get a job. Unlike in Japan or other countries where you can get a simple dishwashing job. Sure it doesnt make all that much, but at least it’s a job that provides the appropriate work documents. In China, it’s hard to obtain such documents and then they slap a huge punishment if you dont follow all the dozens of laws and regulations. It amazes me that they’d have so many regulations yet still remain as the top global trade center of the world.
I know I’m not the only person with this situation. There’s plenty more that dont care to come out of hiding for fear their entire lifestyle will get twisted, but the truth is the government is slowly clamping down more and more. First it was restrictions on trains, then bus, and recently I heard from another American in Hangzhou they’re tightening again.
Interesting. So it sounds as if somebody on the inside was trying to use the students for a purpose?
Speaking of hoax, I’d like to ask if it’s TRUE that there is a “back door” out of China, or whether that TOO is a myth/hoax. I am currently in a mess due to a visa situation. If it were night, I would’ve jumped and shimmy down the pvc pipe outside my balcony, but since it’s day I had to wait out until they stopped pummeling my door and left. I was tricked by false jobs a few times and was too short on funds to grab a plane out when my visa finally reached its limit. I have proof in my email inbox of all the companies I’ve applied and I’ve been to interviews. One asked me to do a demo class, which the staff said was not good. I was clueless as I had done the EXACT same as any other language class. I had used repetition and drew pics on the board and even asked them to use in a sentence. One job was far away in the distant southern suburb of Shanghai. Took a 50 rmb taxi. Even the nearest bus is still a 15-20 min walk to the school. They liked me, but they didnt know ANYTHING about foreign visas. At the same time as that was happening, I had the real estate lady call me to paint house. She said if I work with her she’d check all her big business connections and even hire me. When she marries and goes to US, I’d take over the business. So I became the assistant, foreign consultant, and general maintenance. I tried sales and marketing, but it didnt work out since nobody would rent a house whenever I was around. I have 4 years of customer service exp from the multiple pt jobs back home. I even went so far once to even give a proxy to a girl so she could use Facebook.
ANYWAYS…now to the point of this back door. In all the time I’ve been in the hole, not a day goes by I dont think of a way to fix my situation. I hear many people say “YES IT’S POSSIBLE TO FIX WHATEVER”. Yet when I try to research, I turn up empty-handed. Some even ask me “Why do you want to fix it? You want to go back to the US?” My simple answer is, “I dont know how you can manage without the proper papers but this is now the 2nd time I’ve had sec bashin in my door.” Last time I stupidly answered it because I was in a shared apart. I can fool 1 person, but not EVERYONE that knew I was there. I had a friend translate over the phone I’d handle whatever the guy was saying. I moved and thought this new place was perfect. New, cheap, far away from…Anyways a month went by and I began thinking everything is good. Just this morning when I was handwashing my clothes the phone rang. I curiously got up and decided first to look over the balcony see who would be ringing my doorbell. A guy below look at me and wave. I went back to cleaning thinking maybe it was the power guy or gas guy because he had paper in his hand and was getting in a car. I hopped in the shower. When I got out I heard a commotion outside my door and upon looking through the hole saw 2 guys and the landlady. I was confused what was going on, so I ran to get dressed. When I went back, they were gone. I grabbed my stuff as usual and walked out, but I think when I left my landlady went to my room to throw my stuff out. She had said when sign the contract if there’s a prob she’d toss my stuff out and find a new renter. Anyways, I still dont know what’s going on. Her phone message said the police want to chat, but she’s got poor english, so I dont fully understand the situation. I asked what’s goin on and I said I was on my way to the city at the moment. Still no reply yet.
Anyways, I hope she didnt trash my stuff. My passport I put in a bag and never carry with me for fear it might get stolen. I DO have a copy of my main page on my USB drive.
One of my friends had heard about a kid that made a vid on youtube. He begged for money and got almost a million bucks. She thought by doing the same thing, but ask for less, I could get the funds to fix my visa. I originally told her it wouldnt work and asked where the Women’s clubs were. Hey, if girls meet rich guys that buy them dinner and give them money and things…why cant a guy do the same with a rich girl? That was my idea, but my friend said making a video is better. The deal was I’d show my bank card at the end (need a place to donate the funds) and anything I get I share 30% with my friend. Sounds like a great idea. Well, sitting here at the coffee shop after all the experience this morning I’m starting to think the guys in blue know my bank now. Just earlier I tried pulling an inquiry at 2 different ATMs only to be returned with an “Error please see the bank issuer”. They didnt block my account as I can still take money out, but I cannot see what is in my account.
I’m not a druggy and I’m not a criminal. I never even broke any rules about working on the wrong papers since I was never paid. I have lived off what little family back home sends me and I keep searching for hope for that NEW life I came here for. Apparently fate would rather have me survive cancer, an EF2 tornado, a car accident that flipped me on the side and back, and the more recent Typhoon Muifa….all to end up back in the diabetic/cancer infested, crap economy toilet.
The only thing I know about back doors out of countries is that it usually costs money and is dangerous because it has to do with the same type of people that smuggle illegal immigrants into the US. SInce this is China and I do not know their laws that well, I have no answer for your questions. Chinese often pay tens of thousands of dollars to use this type of back doors to enter the US illegally. Illegal immigrants from Central America and Mexico often die when slipping into the US through one of these back doors.
However, maybe the China Law Blog does. The China Law Blog is out of Seattle Washington and is written by lawyers that are experts on China law. Contacting the lawyers may be costly but the Blog may offer you advice of some kind.
http://www.chinalawblog.com/
I did write a post about immigration to China and people moving there to live and work and that the Chinese were having problems with some of this immigrants due to the fact that they were violating Chinese law. All countries have laws about immigration and China’s immigration laws are going through changes as this is a new problem to them.
So, I’m confused. What part of Tiananmen is the hoax? That people use the location of the demonstration to describe the incidents which happened across the city?
Are you saying it would be better to called the Beijing massacre? You can’t deny that people were killed by members of the PLA in response to democracy protests in Tiananmen square.
According to the documents that Wiki leaks published that originated from the US embassy in Beijing, there were no deaths in Tiananmen Square but the CCP has said there were clashes between mobs and the military in another part of Beijing as the military were on their way to Tiananmen square and deaths took place on both sides among the troops and the mob.
China has a violent history of rebellions and civil wars. The Chinese people are not as docile and brainwashed as most in the West believe.
Just this week, London has reported violent riots.
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/London+aflame+riots+spread+third+night/5221748/story.html
Just a few weeks ago, there were riots in Canada and mobs beat up one man viciously.
Recently, there were violent riots in Oakland California.
In 1947, KMT troops killed about 30,000 people in Taiwan after rioting broke out.
Yet, when something happens in Communist China and fighting breaks out between troops and mobs and people die, it is called a massacre. I’ve read that China admits that people were killed but they say troops were also killed when PLA units were ordered to go to Tiananmen Square and peacefully end the protests. However, according to the CCP, as the troops were moving through Beijing they were confronted by an angry mob that attacked them and they had to fight to reach the Square.
Those protests did not start out as democracy movement until some students joined weeks later. A BBC documentary that did a fairly good job reporting on that civil disobedience and clearly identified the protests started out peacefully over corruption among some government officials demanding that something be done about them.
Those protests became a democracy movement in the Western media only after a few truckloads of students joined in a few weeks later and according to the BBC documentary, most of the students thought they were getting in the trucks to go have some fun.
This is an example of how propaganda turns a rumor/fable into a fact and now, twenty-two years later, the hoax has been revealed.
However, since this myth has been around for so long, many in the West will refuse to accept it as a hoax.
Casey,
Most riots are caused by unrest among those that live in poverty, which are the people that live at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. This was also the reason for the riots that broke out in Taiwan in 1947 that led to KMT troops shooting down about 30,000 people.
In the West, most of those people are of color and a complex mix of racial/ethnic and socioeconomic problems causes riots/unrest. Witness the Rodney King Riots in Los Angeles where more than fifty people died, there was more than a billion dollars in damage and looting, and thousands were injured.
The US had to call in the US Marines and there were firefights between the troops and the rioters.
The Rodney King riots in LA were never called a democracy movement because the US is a democracy. However, when the same thing happens in China for similar reasons it is called a democracy movement since China is not a multi party democracy. Therein is the explanation for the hoax that attempts to undermine the legitimacy of China’s central one party government that calls itself the Communist Party.
Today, the London riots are entering their third or fourth day and about 16,000 police have been called in. The UK’s prime minister says, “People should be in no doubt that we will do everything necessary to restore order to Britain’s streets and to make them safe for the law-abiding,”
What does he mean by “everything necessary”, which is exactly what the Chinese central government did in Beijing in 1989 with unrest that was launched by workers about corruption in the government and it got out of hand and stretched for weeks?
The kind of unrest that took place in Beijing in 1989 happens daily in France now. In France, there is tension between the French police and youth in the projects (those that live in poverty), with periodic clashes between youths with Molotov cocktails and police with tear gas. French police sway 30 to 50 cars are set on fire during an average week. In 2005, in France more than 1,400 cars went up in flames. France is also a democracy so we cannot call the riots a democracy movement but they are also caused by the same thing that caused the unrest in Beijing in 1989.
Actually more like 15,000 and the KMT paid 250,000 dollars to each family that sustained a loss. But you conveniently choose to ignore that dont you? How convenient. Any compensation for TS families? Yes. ten years in jail if you complain.
15,000? 250,000 dollars? KMT? What are you talking about?
And, what type of complaints lands someone in jail for ten years? Again, are you talking about the KMT or the CCP?
Usually, if you are talking about the CCP, the reason people might be sent to jail is because they were told to stop talking (a gag order, which the US courts and the government may do to citizens for a variety of legal reasons). Ignore the gag order and you will also find yourself in jail in the US.
BBC never reported deaths in the square.Watch youtube original report and every other report showing live footage.
I watched an entire BBC documentary on the changes taking place in China under Deng Xiaoping including the Tiananmen Square incident (or should I say Beijing protests since they were happening in other locations in the city than just the square?) and it did a great job showing that the demonstrations started with workers, not college students, demonstrating against corruption in the government. The workers were not against the CCP and were not demanding political changes other than wanting the leadership of the CCP to do something about the corruption.
I have a link to the source of that documentary on a post on this Blog . With almost 1,700 posts it isn’t always easy to find the specific one I am referring to. That documentary spends time on the details of what led up to the crack down on the protests that were turned into riots. I felt that the BBC documentary stayed away from the rumors and exaggerations and claims that had no evidence to support them other than the few students that miraculously had visas to flee to the US where it seems they all prospered.
In that case, Lloyd, you must agree with Dubois and myself; there is not meat enough for a hoax. There are no farcical claims being made by the mass media. BBC are the mass media,and they agree with the view that the incidents occurred outside the square.
Therefore, there is no TQ hoax as even American reports don’t report soldiers shooting protestors in the square.
It isn’t a hoax.
Maybe the hoax has been perpetuated by the US media more than the BBC. From what I’ve seen of material from the BBC and often America’s PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) is that they work hard to avoid rumor and bias. For example, I have run into many examples of bias and China bashing in the American media but often do not find it in the media outside the US. Often, I have used embedded videos from Al Jazeera that report in and about China and have found them to appear fair and balanced but it is very difficult to find that in the traditional US media. However, one unbiased American Source I found was Foreign Policy Magazine, a bimonthly American magazine founded in 1970 with a circulation of about 100,000.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/
Have you ever heard of Operation Mockingbird? The major media in the US and the CIA have been working together since World War II. It was supposed to be a joint project that ended with World War II but it didn’t do to paranoia in the US of Communist that turned to hate and fear over the years.
For example: “The New York Times has a long history of acting subserviently to the powers that be, rather than holding them to account. … The New York Times — The Agency’s relationship with the Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials. [It was] general Times policy … to provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible. … By the early 1950s, Wisner ‘owned’ respected members of The New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles. Wisner referred to this apparatus as a “Mighty Wurlitzer”, referencing the theater organ capable of controlling diverse pipes, instruments, and sound effects from a central console.”
Source: http://www.infowars.com/operation-mockingbird-2012-nyt-writer-leaked-story-critical-of-obama-to-cia/
“Congressional hearings in 1976 proved the CIA had been paying off editors and reporters in most mainstream media outlets.”
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
“No one ever turned a suspicious eye on Walter Cronkite, a former intelligence officer and in the immediate postwar period UPI’s Moscow correspondent. Cronkite was lured to CBS by Operation MOCKINGBIRD’s Phil Graham, according to Deborah Davis.”
Source: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.php
“Henry Luce, the owner of a large media empire, became a key figure in Operation Mockingbird.”
“Jonathan P. Herzog, the author of The Spiritual-Industrial Complex: America’s Religious Battle Against Communism in the Early Cold War (2011), has argued that Luce was motivated by his religious faith: “While he counted anti-Communists like Mundt, Cardinal Spellman, and Chambers as allies, he viewed the Communist threat differently. In his view, it was a symptom and not a disease.”
“According to the Eisenhower Presidential Library files in Abilene, Kansas, Jackson’s “area responsibility was loosely defined as international affairs, cold war planning, and psychological warfare. His main function was the coordination of activities aimed at interpreting world situations to the best advantage of the United States and her allies and exploiting incidents which reflected negatively on the Soviet Union, Communist China and other enemies in the Cold War.”
Source: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm
Fred said, “Therefore, there is no TQ hoax as even American reports don’t report soldiers shooting protestors in the square.”
Read this June 4, 1989 report published in The New York Times.
“BEIJING, Sunday, June 4— Tens of thousands of Chinese troops retook the center of the capital early this morning from pro-democracy protesters, killing scores of students and workers and wounding hundreds more as they fired submachine guns at crowds of people who tried to resist.”
“Most of the dead had been shot, but some had been run over by armored personnel carriers that forced their way through barricades erected by local residents.”
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/04/world/crackdown-beijing-troops-attack-crush-beijing-protest-thousands-fight-back.html?ref=tiananmensquare
An example of Operation Mockingbird maybe? Many Americans still believe these reports.
You mentioned that no westerner wants to see China as #1 in the world and thats why the general public wants to hear bad things about China. However, aren’t you scared that China becomes #1 in the world? After all, that would mean that western countries would havemuch less influence, not to mention that the US would lose its top dog position that it has held for so long. Please don’t take this the wrong way. I deeply respect you for what you’ve done. I just want to ask, what motivates you to do so?
Terry,
History teaches us that nations fall and nations rise. When and if China becomes the biggest economy on the planet, it might to the US some good to be number two for a change. The British Empire was number one for quite a long time but today the UK is two islands and the Rock of Gibralter instead of a quarter of the earth. Are the British people worse off for it? While the British were a HUGE empire, there were fighting endless wars sending their youth off to die all over the world as the US is still doing.
I suspect the United States will be just fine as a nation instead of an empire.
I’d like to pose a question. So Lyndon B Johnson was the one after Kennedy and he escalated the Vietnam war? I remember when senator Kennedy died, the news anchor mentioned an interview he had with the late senator that all the papers the senator left on Johnson’s desk were never touched and still remained there even after his office. Go back when John F Kennedy was shot, I watched a piece that the guards for Johnson recalled that Johnson had apparently known he was NOW president even when the information of Kennedy’s conditon was never sent to him. Also, dont forget the plane back to D.C. where he was mistakenly sworn into office on the same plane as Kennedy’s body. I think it was the History Channel or something, but as they explained it was strange that Johnson flew the SAME plane as Kennedy, and by technicality Kennedy (even though dead) is still labeled President until Congress or Supreme Justices declare him dead and pass the title to Johnson. Yet Johnson uses his time aboard air force one to swear into office to “calm the people” and grabbed mrs Kennedy from the back room and dragged her into it for the media.
Tibet, IF it was never part of China before 1950s, then somebody point me a history book that clearly labels Tibet as a separate country. This whole mess with Tibet has been a recent scheme by Western Media as another way to attack China and gain support for the western people to have hatred against China.
The mess in the 80s in Beijing? I already talked to somebody that was there. I dont think the media ever mentioned the political refugees the US shoved into shipping crates and sent to US. As with any government quelling a rebellion, you always want to grab the leaders and not harm the innocent civilians. I can begin to understand why Americans pay a higher price for a visa than other countries even though we are China’s top business trader. If somebody was supplying my neighbor with more dogs to poop in my lawn, and then taking my annoying cats, I’d be damn pissed too. In comparison that’s like US supplying Taiwan with weapons and providing refuge for the freedom talkers of China.
Mao was dead. Deng Xiaoping had been spit on before, but he was not a ruthless, inhumane dictator. He opened China to the world (which also brought in drugs). Still, do people think he’d massacre all the annoying protesters? In my opinion, as more speak out and get jailed, more will take their place. Eventually things will change. But by taking in those as political refugees, the US govt shows Chinese they can get a free ticket to ride the rollercoaster of success in the US and hinders any development process in China. When the US was formed, we had the Tea Party and other events happen and it is what ultimately led to the formation of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. IF our leaders had been given a golden ticket to go abroad and live peacefully, do you think the US would be what it is today?
Of course he wouldn’t,the little lamb; that’s why Shi Tao was tortured and given a ten year jail sentence for just sending an e mail about Tiannamen. One of the Tiannamen fathers of a murdered student recently committed suicide. Is that a hoax too?
Fred,
Better yet, who claims Shi Tao was tortured and how do you define torture?
How many witnesses are there to this alleged torture? Any photos? Is it just Shi Tao’s word against the CCP? When the US was water boarding prisoners at GITMO (water boarding is considered torture by some but not by others), did someone take photos and upload them to YouTube?
As for the jail sentences, the laws of each country are different. We cannot judge China using the US legal system or someone’s opinion that it was unjust. For example: You do not want to get caught transporting cannabis in Brunei, Borneo, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Dubai, and China. If convicted, a death penalty is possible.
Article 28 of China’s Constitution says, “The state maintains public order and suppresses treasonable and other counter-revolutionary activities; it penalizes actions that endanger public security and disrupt the socialist economy and other criminal activities, and punishes and reforms criminals.”
“When the Chinese government discovered the leak, it demanded the sender’s personal information from Yahoo!’s Hong Kong office (Note: The US does the same thing when it comes to alleged treason and threats of terrorism). Yahoo turned the information over without asking what it was for. Shortly thereafter, Shi Tao was detained on November 24, 2004. The Chinese authorities confiscated his computer and documents without showing any proper permit or document, and warned his family members not to talk about it with others. He was formally arrested on December 14.”
What is the proper legal process in China for arresting and trying someone suspected of treason?
In the US, it is legal for a judge to slap a gag order on witnesses of a crime with harsh punishments for breaking that gag order.
Here’s the law for treason in the United States: “Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”
In addition, in the US, “If the police have probable cause to believe a person has committed a crime but the prosecutor has not yet brought formal charges, the police may detain the suspect in custody for a short period of time (generally twenty-four to forty-eight hours). Probable cause is defined as facts sufficient to support a reasonable belief that criminal activity is probably taking place or knowledge of circumstances indicating a fair probability that evidence of crime will be found. It requires more than a mere hunch, but less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. After this short period of detention, the police must release the person, or bring formal charges and take the suspect before a judge. If released, the person may be rearrested at a later date if the police obtain sufficient evidence.”
In China’s case, the formal charges were brought on December 14–less than a month after Shi Tao was arrested.
Is there any language in China’s laws that says how long the police in China may hold an alleged criminal without charging them?
Shi Tao was sentenced to ten years in prison for releasing a document of the CCP to an overseas Chinese democracy site. This was the alleged accusation that led to his prison sentence. If the police in China had the evidence, it is up to the courts if they will allow a public trial or one behind closed doors.
How is that different from the US wanting to arrest Julian Assange for doing the same thing to America? Even as I write this reply to your comment, the US is working to extradite Assange for crimes against America so the US may throw the citizen of another country (he is an Australian) in a US prison.
On threats by various governments toward Assange, legal expert Ben Saul argues that founder Julian Assange is the target of a global smear campaign to demonize him as a criminal or as a terrorist, without any legal basis.
Then from The Diplomat.com we discover, “Since 2006, new political campaigns have proliferated in courts and government institutions. These reemphasize the supremacy of the Communist Party and warn against the infiltration of “Western” rule-of-law concepts. Indeed, even the content of the national bar exam has been altered to reflect these changes.
“Personnel changes have also swept through the Chinese judiciary. In 2008, Party authorities replaced the outgoing head of the Supreme People’s Court (strongly identified with many of the 1990s-era legal reforms) with a Party political-legal cadre whose main prior career experience had been his time serving as a provincial public security chief.
“The work of the courts has changed as well. Since 2003, Chinese authorities have moved away from court trials according to law, which were heavily emphasized in the 1990’s as the preferred means for resolving disputes. In their place they have revived Maoist-style mediation practices. And they have revived and expanded programs that train ex-military officers to serve as judges in rural courts, a practice which had fallen out of favor during the 1990’s.”
I recommend reading the rest of this post at The Diplomat. It’s worth reading to understand how the Chinese legal system works and why the CCP is doing things the way they do. We don’t have to like what goes on in China, but there is nothing we can do to change it because China is governed by the CCP as the US is governed by the Democratic and Republican Parties.
Should we swap governments and legal systems to see what happens in each country?
Be careful how you answer that last question. The United States has more people in prison than any country on the Earth. China is in second place with about half the number of people in prison, but China has more than four times the population.
Source: http://thediplomat.com/china-power/rule-of-law-in-china-past-present-and-future/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+the-diplomat+The+Diplomat+RSS
As for suicide, that is where an individual takes his or her own life. You really don’t want to focus on that subject because China does not have the highest suicide rates in the world.
Assange case is so hilarious. I feel bad for the man. It’s funny that 1 man that leads what I consider a small publication, to be at the forefront of today’s news. Why didnt the CCP imprison facebook founder when he visited his wife’s family in China? It’s the same stupid logic we’re using on Assange. I find it funny that we’re not chuckling at everything he’s done, and offering him and his team a job at the CIA. He’s got a swat team of hackers. It amazes me that most of his team are expatriated chinese. Now why dont they ever dig up dirt on China or WHY doesnt China ever try to put Assange in front of a firing squad?
As for torture, there was video of gitmo detainees being humiliated. We do the same for people that go against the US govt. Take a look at the young man accused of leaking info to Assange. He’s been beat, tortured, and if I remember correctly people are asking the judge to declare a death sentence on the man.
Do you remember the man’s name that leaked the info to Assange? I probably could find out using Google.
Pvt Manning.
As for the chinese high speed rail hoax (and prejudice and propaganda), there have been in the days before the accident different articles about minor flaws and problems on the newly opened Beijing-Shanghai high speed line. They evidently wanted to make it seem like it’s technology is flawed, realization careless and not properly done, management faulty….
In the same exact days in Korea happened this http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/07/18/2011071801213.html ….but nobody spoke ill of Korean high speed…
1) Western world will say crap about anything big in China. China is already famous for the great wall. Now as the world falls apart, China has a high-speed train that can travel north/south in 5 hours and is an engineering marvel of train travel. It is comparable to when the US connected to California by train. I guess you could look at it as a symbol of Chinese modernization, just as US was beginning Industrialization at that time it pushed West. Nobody in the western world wants China to be the #1 in the world. Also, look at it this way. When the US built the railroad, it was the old steam engine technology. China is finishing a railroad that operates on electrical energy and is high-speed. It’s like Japan in WW2 when they tried developing the Tesla Coil as a weapon, yet all of our military were still using the old gunpowder to launch a metallic projectile aka GUN.
2) The high-speed train thing is just ONE issue. There’s been many other complaints of faulty quality. I dont know exactly if Disney ever brought this up, but the other theme parks in China have had some quality issues in the past that have caused serious injuries and deaths. I’m surprised the western media doesnt toss that around to try to stop the building of Asia’s biggest Disney park and the world’s cheapest Disney park (they predict 300rmb/ticket)
If you remember Mr. Lofthouse, I told you about the hoax quite some time ago in one of my comments here, before all the Wikileaks stuff…
Since I started personally experience all the BS that western media propagate about China, I started to strongly doubt the said event, and to make some search about it. The cablos from US embassy about the unarmed troops sent in at first (and stopped by BJ civilians) were already known, as much as the official count of the victim by the embassy, that more or less agreed with what the chinese government has always said. Many eyewitness (an italian journalist with whom I talked personally by mail, a spanish TV troupe, some ambassador, a German journalist on the square til dawn, Hou Dejian, one of the students’ leader of the time etc. ALL said and stated clearly more than once that the student were pacifically let out of the square that night.
There were fights, and victims (on both sides, many soldiers also died, and different trucks and also tanks were burnt, sometime with soldiers inside), but not on the square, and not of the magnitude western media want us to believe..it was mostly in Muxidi, on west Chang’an jie.
Even the so called (and not yet completely proven to be true) “Tiananmen papers”, called by the west “the proof of the cruelty of the regime” agree on this, and give a count of the casualty similar to what the official records says….(as well as state more than once that the categorical order from the State Council to the troops was NOT to harm the students in the square in any possible way. Drive them out of the square without violence).
The hoax has been in front of our eyes for decades, but the “mermaid chant” of western media is more appealing to many..
Alessandro,
Yes, I remember.
It seems there is one HOAX after another when it comes to most of the traditional Western Media and politicians regarding China.
1. There is the Tibet Hoax
2. The Great Leap Forward Hoax (since most of the deaths in 1959 were caused by a famine brought on by a drought, and China has a history of famines and deaths from them)
3. the Tiananmen Square Hoax,
4. the dictatorship Hoax (China may have been a dictatorship under Mao but today it is a one party government with term and age limits for politicians such as the president of China) and most if not all decisions from the central government are made by consensus not by a one man dictator
5. now the rail accident Hoax attempting to make China look careless and sloppy when it comes to rail transportation.
It seems people will believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence and facts and many of those people will refuse to look at the evidence that proves them wrong or claim it is fabricated and continue to believe in their opinions that have no evidence or facts to support them.
I agree with America’s Founding Father that everyone born in the United States should not have the right to vote. People that vote should be able to read and understand the issues and possibly have an income that does not have hooks to welfare. Possibly, people that vote should have jobs or a source of income from owning a business or form investments and also pays income tax on that money. When the United States became a country, only 10% of the population was allowed to vote in elections.
People that have been convicted of felony crimes and/or that live off welfare should not be allowed to vote in addition to illiterate people that cannot read or people that are semi illiterate and cannot understand what they read.
America’s political system of flawed.
Dictatorship is not autocracy, rule by one man. Age limits,wow! Oligarchical dictatorship.
You reply to me as per Diplomat.com just crystallises the fact that Chinas legal system has become more Maoist, militaristic ( recruits from military) and flouts rule of law. Bo Xilai and Gu Jai Lai – she wasnt even at the trial!
Your response did not argue anything,it seemed to suggest China’s rule of law was much unfairer that US’s and was replacing trained judges with PSB goons. Great. What a great advocate of China’s secretly democratic state you are.
Fred,
The definition for dictatorship has been changing in recent years since China did away with one-man rule. Now dictatorship means to be ruled by one political party. The CCP has 80 million members. Studies show that in countries with harsh penalties for breaking laws, less people break them and less people go to jail.
You seem to believe that China’s legal system flouts the rule of law. Whose law? International law, the law in the United States or in China?
We could beat our heads against a wall for years disagreeing with what country has a more efficient legal system to keep its people in line. A better way to decide what country has harsher laws might be to compare prison populations against total population to discover what works best.
First, the global prison population is based on 10.1 million prisoners and a world population of 6.9 billion or 146 per 100,000.
The U.S. has more people in prison than any other country on the Earth at 2.29 million people in prisons—that is 743 per 100,000 of the national population.
In second place, China has 1.65 million people in prisons. Some estimates say it is 2 million for 122 per 100,000 people ranking NUMBER 121 of 218 countries.
You have a right to your OPINION, but that does not mean you are right. What one person THINKS is relative.
Fred,
I find it interesting that you live in the city of Kota Kinabalu in Sabah, Malaysia, then you criticize China for having what you call a harsh-legal system but Malaysia has a dual justice system. In Malaysia, state law may impose Islamic sharia (spelled syariah in Malaysia) law.
In August 2007, the Chief Justice of Malaysia proposed replacing the common law side of the dual-legal system in Malaysia with sharia law.
What is Sharia law:
Sharia law is Islam’s legal system. It is derived from both the Koran, as the word of God, the example of the life of the prophet Muhammad, and fatwas – the rulings of Islamic scholars.
Sharia differs in one very important and significant way to the legal traditions of the Western world: it governs, or at least informs, every aspect of the life of a Muslim.
Western law confines itself largely to matters relating to crime, contract, civil relationships and individual rights.
Sharia is however concerned with more. Sharia rulings have been developed to help Muslims understand how they should lead every aspect of their lives according to God’s wishes.
And you claim that China’s legal system is harsh.