ShangDi – China’s God of Creation

China is the oldest, continuous civilization on the earth. Ancient records date back to about  2500 B.C. and coincides with the Biblical timeline, which shows that the great flood took place around 2344 B.C. Source: Bible Study – Flood

Ancient Chinese myth has their first king, Fu-hi or Fohi (Chinese Noah) making his appearance on the Mountain of Chin surrounded by a rainbow after the world had been covered with water.  Myth says this Chinese Noah also sacrificed animals to God.

The Miao tribe of Southwest China has a similar myth. According to the Miao, God destroyed the world by flood because of the wickedness of man. The myth also says Nuah (Noah) had three sons: Lo Han (Ham), Lo Shen (Shem), and Jah-hu (Japheth). Source: Silvia Videler

“ShangDi, the Creator-God of the Chinese, surely appears to be one and the same as the Creator-God of the Hebrews.” Source: Answer in Genesis

“One of the earliest accounts of the Border Sacrifice is found in the Shu Jing (Book of History), compiled by Confucius (551 to 479 B.C.), where it is recorded that Emperor Shun (2256 to 2205 B.C.) sacrificed to ShangDi.” Source: Answer in Genesis

ShangDi is the High God of the ancient Chinese.  He was worshiped as the Creator God for thousands of years. ShangDi was known as the Heavenly Ruler and the Chinese emperors were known as the Sons of Heaven.  No other god was higher or more powerful.

Evidence says that the ancient Chinese understood the nature of God as the ancient Hebrews did after Abraham (1812 B.C. to 1637 B.C.), who is considered the father of the Jews (about 3,000 years old), Christians (about 2,000 years old) and Muslims (about 1,400 years old).

While the ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans worshiped many gods, the Chinese worshiped one God above all others, ShangDi. If true, that would mean the Chinese might have believed in God longer than the Jews, Christians or Muslims.

In fact, it appears that the Chinese believed in God (ShangDi) without an organized religion for more than four thousand years.

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Lloyd Lofthouse is the award-winning author of My Splendid Concubine [3rd edition]. When you love a Chinese woman, you marry her family and culture too. This is the love story Sir Robert Hart did not want the world to discover.

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29 Responses to ShangDi – China’s God of Creation

  1. Bertie says:

    I had no idea that China had this creation myth too.

  2. NN says:

    Hi there Lloyd. I should not be here, but I’ve had migraine for days now and I can’t do what I’ve planned. Instead I started with my own writing work over here about us Finns and I think I’ve found the link between Asia and Scandinavia.

    For years ago I fell in love with this video, with beautiful illustrations and music from Ancient Korea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFgsWjq-7dE
    But it was more interesting than that. I found a Korean myth about Dangun Josun (Dahn Goon, Choo Shin) that has connection to the Finno-Ugric people with our Bear-cult and the pointed vessels. Also the Kalevala myth seem to be from the same time and in the movie “Jade warrior” they mention the Jade culture and bears carved of Jade was found 4.500 BC. They Bear cult was widely spread in Eurasia and Europe, but the first Finnish people called Karelians is mentioned to be “bear people”, also they who had the vessel cultures before bronze and iron age. The other people who lives in south west of Finland is said to be the “Elk people” and a golden elk has been found in Altai.

    It might be that some of the Bear people (Ancient Korea and Japan – the Ainu people) is our ancient forefathers in the Urals and Karelia. Ainu is also similar with the name Aino (the female sea spirit) in the Kalevala mythology.

    I wonder if the Koreans and their myth also had some meaning to the ancient Chinese people. Maybe it also was the “kingdom” before ShangDi ?

    The other videos I saw years ago don’t seem to exist anymore. But I copied them then and was able to get the text I read. (Sorry for this long input, you can cut it out if you want). Anyway It says like this in the video:

    “Dangun Josun was a far-flung empire comprising today’s Chinese continent. Manju (Manchuria). Mongolian plain. Northern Siberia and Central Asia. Today’s Buryat Republic in lake Baikal area on the map was part of Dnagun Josun. The people with the same appearence to Koreans and the same shamanism to Korea does prove that they are descendants of Dangun Josun. Mongolian and Tibet that is not shown on the map were of Dangun Josun too. Around the Dangun Josun territory comprising the Korean peninsula. Mongolian and tibet, the common founding Myths related to Heaven are found and this fact proves that the peoples on the lands are
    all descendants of Dangun Josun.

    The Myth is that a son of heavenly lord descended into the human and has a child. Among founding myths related to Heaven around North East Asia, Dangun Myth. Korean founding myth is the oldest.

    Founding Myth of Dangun Josun:

    In the heavens lived a god by the name of Hwanin. Hwanin had a son by the name of Hwanung. Everyday Hwanung would peer over the edge of heaven down into the earth and shed tears. When asked why by his father, Hwanung answered that he worried for the fate of the mortals and that he wished to rule them in order to bring peace and justice into their kind. Moved by his devotion, Hwanin allowed him to descend into the world and rule. He gave his son Three Heavently Heirlooms, along with a group of three thousand servants, and ordered the Three Lords of wind, rain and clouds to follow him.
    Hwanung thus descended into the world. He first arrived at the mountain-top of Mt. Teabaek and there establishes a city he called Shinshi, meaning World of the Gods. Hwanung took care of 360 human affairs, including agriculture, life, illness, justice, good and evil etc. It was during this time that two beasts approached him, wishing to become human. One of them a tiger, is now thought to symbolize a tiger-totem clan that vied for power along with the bear, representing the gentler and more civilized bear-clan. Hwanung gave both of them a handful of mugworth and garlic, with which they had to stave off their hunger while remaining inside a dark cave without seeing the sunlight for 100 days. The tiger in his temper, ran away before the ordeal was through, but the bear remained patient and on the twenty-first day turned in to a beautiful woman. The woman was given the name Ungnyeo. Not long after her transformation, Ungnyeo began to crave a child, but since she has been a beast before she became a woman, no one was willing to wed her. In her sadeness she sat beneath a holy tree and prayed for a child everyday. Hwanung, moved by her prayers, took human form for a brief moment and through him she gave birth to a son. This son is Dangun, forefather of Korean people.

    Dangun etablished a kingdom and he called it Asadal, meaning “place where the morning sun shines”. This name was later changed to Josun. Legend has it that Dangun ruled undistrubed for five thousand years.He is said to have lived until he was 1.908 years of age– at which point he decided to leave the mortal lands and headed for the quiet of the mountains where he became a divine spirit of the mountain or Sanshinlyong.

    The Mythology that a Bear was transformed into a human lady, is widley found in the territory of Dangun Josun including Korean peninsula, Manju (Manchuria), the Maritime Provinces of Siberia and inner Mongolia. Some of relics found in those areas support the fact. In the Korean peninsula about 7.000 year old clay bear was found, which is 2.000 years earlier than Dangun Josun was built. The 7.000 year old clay bear shows that “Bear related culture” existed even before Dangun Josun was built and we can presume that “Bear related myth” derived from toteism. Koreans seem to have worshipped a Bear as their totem before Dangun Josun was etablished.

    In inner Mongolia about 4.000 year old Jade Bear was found.The bear shaped Jade artifact was found in the area of Hongsan Civilization that started from about 4.500 BC. The people of Hongsan Civilisation, the Ancient Korean, are the investors of Jade. All the evidences, the common founding myths, the fihures af a bear and a bear-tiger figured flag (of one city far northern Manju area) prove that Dangun Josun was not an Empire that was ruled by a single dominant ethnic but was the Empire of the people under the same racisal and the same ethnical culture and thet Dangun myth means more than “Myth”. Dangun myth is the History of the humanrace. A 13.000 year old clay bear was found in the Amur area and it means that there about 13.000 years ago Koreans lived with a baer related culture.

    One important thing to be mentioned here is the number Three/3 in Dangun myth, Whanung descended into the human world with the Three Lords of wind, rain and clouds along with 3000 servants. The Jade bear from inner Mongolia has Three holes on it and the clay bear in the Amur area has three legs. Three legged clay vessels (4.500 BC) are ones of most prominent Ancient Korean Cultures. A 5.000 year old black colored Vessel has three legs with a bird head figure. Bird is one of Korean totems and there can be a great that “Three Iegged bird- called Samjogo” of Korea developed from this figure. The black vessel was found in the area of Yong-San Civilisation. Th epeople of Yongsan civilisation had the most developed skills to produce eartherwares. Especialy black vessels are the most prominent art-works of Yong-san Civilisation (2.500 BC). The figure “3” is very meaningful for the Han(Korean). The figure “3” is a spiritual symbol, which Koreans call “Sam-Sasang”. Asadal: Bright Morning Sun. There also is pointed vessels having a symbol of Dangun Josun on it. The pointed vessel was found in the area of Daemoongu Civilisation (4.500 BC). There are a few different interpretations of the patterns on the pointed vessel: 1. The patterns mean “Sun, Cloud and Fire” and this can be marked as DAN (Heaven/Sun and Earth/Fire) in developed language character. 2. The patterns mean “Sun, Bird and Mountain” showing that a bird soars carrying the morning sun. Korean experts support the latter. one important reason they support the latter is that “A bird is one of Korean totems”,

    Dangun of Josun is not only a myth; it is the history of the Han and the spirit of all the Han people.”

    End

    • There is no reason to doubt that the ancients (before written language and books) traveled long distances over generations. There is DNA evidence that links the horse people of northern China to the Eskimos and other North American Indians while DNA tests in South America link those tribes to Polynisians who we know traveled long distances across the Pacific in their dug out boats. The Polynisians have also been connected to South East Asia and Southern China through DNA.

      • NN says:

        The problem I see with this Haplo groups, or DNA maps, is that is far too back in time to get a more realistic picture of what happened for ex. in the Bronze Age. I know for ex. my own Haplo group, but I have no clear idea of what happened 10.000 years back if I don’t search for more info than on those maps. There where lot of smaller groups among for ex. the horse people. If I want to know my past I must know which of those it was that lived among the groups in the Urals.

        But, don’t mind. I have said what I wanted about the link between us and the Chinese. I think I know now among what people we got together in Russia (it’s a mess).

      • From what I understand, when they map DNA, they look for markers that are unique for each ethnic and/or racial group that would have been true ten thousand years ago. In the United States, they have been using these DNA markers to tell African Americans what area of Africa and which tribe they are from.

      • NN says:

        http://www.taiwandna.com/FinnishPage.html

        You can see my Haplogroup as LLY22G on the map. That means that someone over there, has some (unknown)% same DNA as my father for the Y chromosome DNA group N1, and that we Finns might have come from there 20.000 years back in time.

        Here is an example of explanation to some DNA tests from that site:

        “One of the men in a group of Eurasian Clan peoples who was probably born in Siberia within the last 10,000 years gave rise to the LLY22G marker which defines haplogroup N in the Genographic tree.

        Today his descendants effectively trace a migration of Uralic-speaking peoples during the last several thousands of years like the Sami people, the people of Northern Sweden, Norway, Finland and Russia. The Sami also have U5 lineages in their population indicating that it may have introduced during their migration into these northern territories.

        A genetic link between Sami and the Volga-Ural region of Russia has been found, indicative of a more recent contribution of people from the Volga-Ural region to the Sami population as recently as 2700 years ago.”

        This is true, but it does not tell me more exactly from which group of people in the Uralics we came among over here, for example 2.000 years ago.

        The horse riders as the Scythians and Genghis Khan came this way, much later and has left some traces as well.

        So we are basically looking at this from two directions. From the Haplo map; 10-40.000 BC ago and from 2010 AD. Some where there in between we can find our true forefathers. But this DNA haplo group mapping don’t explain it all.

        It’s also true that we are no longer relatives to anybody after nine generations. It means, that I can only find my relatives from about 400 years back in time. There fore I have nothing in common with any Uralians, Mongols, Koreans or Gengis Khan.

        Except – the culture that remained in Finland.

      • What about language? When I taught English, I learned that all languages can be traced back to their roots. For example, Europe has one original language (the Basques), the rest of European languages may be traced back about 7,000 years to India, and that link is called Indo-European. It seems as populations migrated, they brought their languages with them and although languages changed over time, there are markers in the language that allow specialists to trace them back along that migration route. The method used to trace these links has something to do with the way we form sounds inside our mouth along with a few other methodologies

        Take English for example. If you look at Old English, which is more than a thousand years back, it is a different language from today but there are enough clues to trace how all those changes came about. The Vikings raiding and planting colonies in England influenced changes. Then there were the Saxons and Normans who also influenced changes. Each culture that moves in and lives among the older cultures in a region influences changes in language.

        Maybe this link will help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

        Scroll down and you may find the listing for Asia. I was looking that listing over.

      • NN says:

        Yes, German is probably related to both English and Swedish, Danish and Norwegian. Finish has nothing to do with the Indo-European or German languages. We have some words in Finnish that shows that we have lived side by side with the Swedes, but other wise there is no signs of similarities. The Finish language is unique, it does not have any similarities at all with for ex. Russian and Baltic languages as it is told.

        The only ones I know remind of Finnish is Hungarian and Sami languages. Karelians I don’t know about, how they sound. So tracking the languages as a Finn is not that easy as if you are Indo-European.

      • I understand how difficult tracing Finish roots must be.

    • NN says:

      I found some more stuff. In this video at 1:35 you can actually see that some believe Finnish is Indo-European speaking people ?

      Ok, but Finns must then have developed its own unique language among the Lapps, more like in Northern Savolax to be more exact.
      Armenia then became the symbol of the birth of the European Aryans. Much of the architecture and medieval clothings is similar… enough of this.

      Then we have the Kurgans, the first Caucasians, from 2.000 BC.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgans

      They are the Slavic, Kurgan warriors, quite known as well for their brutality. I find almost nothing about these early “Wolf people”, the Slavs. But here is the pretty Ukrainian Ruslana who has the typical Euro-Asian look many of us Finns have as well.

      We are not that blond as people may think of us. No, they are the Baltics.

      The Kurgans had similar burial rituals as us in the beginning of the Bronze age, with vessels in grave and so on. They also come from the same group of people as the Scythians later in 1.000-600 BC

      As you can see on the map, these may also have effected the Shamanic culture in China. This is another group of people that came from west to east. Ancient forefathers for some Chinese maybe?

      Their old alphabet reminds of the old Russian acrylics and Mongolian if I remember right. I guess the majority of these people is what we call Russians today.

      • NN says:

        One last thing about the Kurgans.

        They belong to the Andronovo culture as the Schythians did, and I saw in the following video at 9:00 that they berried their people in Tuva, like the Vikings did in the Combceramic Culture over here just before the Bronze age.

        The closest they got the North Uralic tribes, was in south west of Finland, there Finns lived side by side with the Swedes.

        This means that there is a connection between Asians and the Germanic people as you. Congratulations 🙂

      • It appears that the evidence we have found and discussed proves that cultures and ethnic groups were mixing long before there was a written langauge to record such mingling. Those connections have surely influenced languages and cultures across the globe, which have been threatened in recent decades by the advent of America as a super power. However, I do not believe that in the long run America’s influence will last although that influence will survive in part as the impact of other cultures and ethnic groups have collided over recorded and pre history. In time, that influnence will fade and blend so it is difficult to recognize.

      • NN says:

        “America as a super power”

        I think the problem with Americans and the young ones over there, is that they simply have forgotten about their forefathers in Europe, and where their forefathers forefathers came from. I’m sorry to tell some that we are all connected in some way. But it’s also important to find and stay with ones own roots. There is differences and it’s of big value to maintain ones own culture in some way so people would not feel so lost.

        The materialistic, imperialistic culture don’t give us the human characters, it only takes us further away from our true selves.

        This has to be done by love, not with naive patriotism. Many should ask them selves what America is built up on to start with. Swedes remind me of Americans, they just come to a land with people already living there and take it from them, just as the Swedes toke the Sami peoples land.

        With what rights ?
        With no rights at all.

        Do we agree on that ?

      • Yes, conquest for any reason is wrong unless the other nation attacked first as Hitler and Japan did starting World War II. However, it seems that it is the way things are done. The powerful take from those who are not as powerful and kill them if they resist. Even though it is wrong, isn’t this the story of history? And of course, the victors write future history books making it look as if they were justfied in doing the horrible things they did in some “national interest”.

      • When Americans say we need to return to the values of our Founding Fathers, those Americans have no idea what they are talking about. IGNORANCE is dangerous.

      • NN says:

        “The powerful take from those who are not as powerful and kill them if they resist. Even though it is wrong, isn’t this the story of history?”

        As the old Nam Veteran you are I knew you would say this, and I actually do accept that part of the reality as well. That’s the way it goes.

        “When Americans say we need to return to the values of our Founding Fathers, those Americans have no idea what they are talking about. IGNORANCE is dangerous.”

        I have to trust your words. I don’t know the American mentality.

        *Big hug* Lloyd. You seem to be a wise ex veteran with your heart on the right place despite your experiences, or because of them. That gives me and many others hope. I thank you for that, “brave heart”.

      • Thank you, but there are at least 30 million Americans who will disagree with me. That is the audience who listens to people like Rush Limbaugh and his kind of conservative talk radio. Limbaugh calls his audience “ditto heads” saying they don’t have to think because he will think for them.

      • NN says:

        Aha, is that what the lemming mentality means ? http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/386547224_c47332fbc1.jpg
        I’ve heard that saying, in the Loose Change movie, about 9/11. I didn’t first get at all what he said, but I remember him saying it. It’s getting same over here. Maybe I have to emigrate to Finland.. haha and you to China ?

      • Lemmings is about right and those Limbaugh type talk shows tell their ditto heads often on a daily basis that it is everyone else who is brainwashed.

        There may be some truth to that but the fact is the ditto heads who support the neo-conservatives with their nation building ideas and spend more than the government earns through taxes and the religious right wanting to hurry judgment day are much more brainwashed than the rest of us. Those people are brainwashed to the point of being dangerous.

        I cannot live in a Chinese city unless we live in the southeast near the Li River in a smaller town where there there is not much industry or cars. Too much air pollution in China’s cities — much worse than most US cities. After all, every country in the world sent most of their polluting industries to third-world countries (like China, Japan, South Korea, India, and Taiwan – etc.) decades ago and that pollution in China is from the world’s factories. America buys about 300 billion annually of those products that are manufactured or assembled in China. Yet China’s trade with the world (exports and imports) is about two trillion annually and is about even so China buys more from some.

        Something most Americans don’t know is that China’s trade with the world is about equal between exports and imports. However, the US buys more products made in China (under contract from US companies that couldn’t afford high price of labor in US and compete with world markets like Wal-Mart) and the Chinese only buy about 60 billion in US manufactured products. It’s a complicated mess and simple minds boil it down to China is bad so hate China. Before China, those same people hated Japan when the same industries were moving there from the U.S. for the cheap labor soon after World War II.

        Between 1950 and 1980, the hate was directed at Japan and that country was the scapegoat for jobs lost in the U.S. then China opened their markets and the hate shifted until it is steaming at full speed today. What Americans don’t understand is that for decades the U.S. had the only heavy industries that hadn’t been destroyed by World War II. That led to the unions bargaining pay that was higher than it should have been for no skill assembly line jobs. Auto industry workers were earning (with benefits) more than $80 or $90, an hour and they didn’t even need a high school degree but the US had 90% of the global auto market when those contracts were negotiated. In Japan, the wages were probably less than a few dollars a day at most. In China after 1980, those wages were lower than Japan.

        So, much of that pollution in China comes from American products being made in China.

        I’m rambling. Sorry.

      • NN says:

        No, you are an author, it comes naturally as it should do.

        I’m very bad at economics and I’m totally lost concerning capitalistic thinking. Economy is just not my area. But I understand that America grows weaker this way, and that it brings up much insecurity and anger among many. Sweden have sold and moved out much of it’s own productions outside country as well. I think the Chinese recently bought Volvo for ex.

        How did you get interest to China btw ? Was it because your wife is Chinese or her suggestion of Sir Robert ?

      • How I got interested in China is a long story. Prior to 1999, I didn’t have any interest in China.

        Then my wife mentioned that I might be interested in an Irishman who went to China in 1954 — that was 1999. Curious, I looked him up and discovered that Belknap Harvard University Press had published several volumes of Hart’s letters and journals. I bought the set and read them discovering the love affair with a Chinese concubine that Sir Robert Hart tired to hide from the world. I also started to learn firsthand about the 19th century history of China since Hart was there for much of it and he played a significant historical role. Even the Vatican in Rome awarded him an honor for his role in China.

        I decided to write a historical fiction about Hart’s love story with Ayaou, his concubine, which took almost a decade. To do the story justice, I decided to study China’s history and culture. I had decided that China should also be a character in the novels.

        Because of that, I started to see lies and distortions about China in the Western media — lies and distortions that I had always accepted as facts before. That bothered me because the so-called “free” Western media influences the thoughts and beliefs of hundreds of millions of people in the West who dig no further — they accept whatever they hear from a radio or TV talk show, Western politician or a Western media source.

        That led to more research.

        Since I earned a BA degree in journalism, I was trained to dig for facts. For several years (during 30 years in the classroom) while I was a public school teacher, I was the advisor for a high school student newspaper and I taught my students that facts and truth were important in journalism.

        Eventually, that led to a desire to balance the Western media with facts and opinions based on what I discovered, which come from what I’ve learned while researching Chinese history from primary sources that, for the most part, had no political agendas—private letters and journals seldom do.

      • NN says:

        I see. You have made a big journey during your research for your book. I can only find one book of you in Swedish Bokia, My Splendid Concubine. But you also mentioned another book you where about to release in the TV interview. Are you writing on a third book now ?

        Just tell me if I write too much here, I don’t want to steal time or energy from you.

      • You’re not writing too much. I’m fine. I get up between 5 – 6 AM and usually work, with a few hours off for procrastination, unitl 8 PM and of course exercise a few hours in the morning.

        The sequel to “My Splendid Concubine” is “Our Hart”.
        http://www.mysplendidconcubine.com/OurHart.htm

    • NN says:

      Yes, the exercising… some years have past with the meanest mental illness possible. I’ve decided to move on and start with a more physical lifestyle, but I’ve had migraine for days now. When that is over I’ll leave Internet and just do it. I feel I’ve grieved and suffered enough now… you know what I’m talking about. I recognized that in your eyes in one of your videos. But you seem to do well despite I think.

      • The fact that you are aware of what is causing your suffering is a step in facing the trauma called PTSD and taming the monster.

        For my first 14 years after Vietnam, I locked the nightmares inside my head and surrounded them with steel reinforced concrete.

        I never talked about what happened in Vietnam. While awake during the day, I never thought about what happened.
        However, the demons came out in the night after I went to bed to sleep, and they became three-dimensional flesh and blood real, which explains why I have trouble sleeping. I sleep maybe four to five hours a night–since 1966 and wake up hourly.

        Still, after I awoke in the morning, the vivid, realistic flashbacks were buried again to be locked away until the next snooze time when they escaped the prison inside my head. After I released those demons so they were with me, day and night as one, I started to deal with them so we could live together as one person instead of being a Jekyll and Hyde drowning in booze.

        Now, I take one day at a time.

      • NN says:

        I was getting worried about my way to express my self in that reply. I really don’t want to upset you in any ways and I almost regret what I wrote, so clumsy of me.

        Yes, I know why I got it I think, nothing to compare with the intense of a veterans pain. I really should not complain.

        Yap. I understand combat PTSD is much more complex and hard to deal with. That’s also why I admire your strength Lloyd. I don’t know if it’s good or bad that you finally did start to remember all that stuff and have a chance to “work on it”. I can easily understand that once you remember it you will not ever forget it either and that it kinda get stuck in your mind no matter what you do.

        “Now, I take one day at a time.”

        That’s good. Because I have the same illness I easily recognize some signs in your videos, but as said I think you do very well despite that. You must be mentally very strong, under your more quiet and perhaps little shy appearance.

        I’m sorry I toke this way far from the subject. I feel stupid now.

      • I write about PTSD at The Soulful Veteran. Why not mention it here too–at least in the comment section? Besides my Blogs are linked as you can see.

        I do disagree about getting PTSD through combat experience being worse. I feel that there are experiences from civilian life that can be more traumatic.

        Imagine a young girl from Eastern Europe or Russia who is kidnapped into sexual slavery and she is physically and emotionally abused (and addicted to hard drugs as a way to control her) as the criminals break her spirit to turn her into a prostitute who will service fifty men a day.

        If she escapes, I imagine her PTSD will be much worse than most combat veterans will. The worst case of PTSD I’ve seen was from that homeless vet in Southern California who had been a prisoner of war and was tied down and raped by his guards, who were men raping a man.

        It is estimated that there are more than 20 million slaves in the world and many are used in the sex industry. Slavery is a global problem in the United States and in China and the laws against it are harsh. If caught in China, that crime usually leads to a death sentence.

        Hmm, that sounds like a topic to write a post about.

      • NN says:

        Alright, it’s your blog.

        Yes, of course that Russian woman has experienced some extreme stuff as well as that homeless vet. True.

        I was more thinking of what the traumatic memories is about. I’m sure it’s just as unpleasant to “see” messed up body parts as it is to feel being raped again and so on…

        You know, I’ve only seen stuff like that on authentic videos and already at that point got a weird feeling of unreality. I can not even imagine how it’s like in real. That’s why I write like that, because I don’t have the experience.

        I’ve been lucky with only some hours of gun threat and in another case one hour of torture where I really feared for my life, but that’s not what my trauma is really about.

        But I understand your point. Veterans are not the only victims for bad case of PTSD.

        “Hmm, that sounds like a topic to write a post about.”

        You already wrote something about death sentence in China concerning criminals.

      • Thanks. I’ve written so much about China, occasionally I’m going to repeat something I already wrote about.

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