Spinning a Web – Part 2/2

Since The Opium War by Julia Lovell will not be released until September 2011, I do not know if Ms. Lovell will provide a balance in what she writes.

However, we could find citizens of any country willing “for a fee of course” to sell out their government and people. Why should some Chinese be any different, or are the Chinese judged by a different standard?

It will be interesting if Lovell mentions the Taiping Rebellion, which was one of the bloodiest civil wars in history between the Manchu dominated Qing Dynasty and millions of Christian, Han Chinese rebels led by Hong Xiuquan.

The Taipings had three goals: defeat and replace the Manchu rulers of China, rid China of Opium, and spread Christianity.

It is estimated that The Taiping Rebellion (1845 – 1864) saw about 20 million Chinese killed and the Taipings were not the only Chinese rebelling against the Manchu rulers of China.

For an example of some people willing to do anything “for a fee of course”, a United Nations publication of 1998, “Economic and Social Consequences of Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking,” says,”With estimates of $100 billion to $110 billion for heroin, $110 billion to $130 billion for cocaine, $75 billion for cannabis and $60 billion for synthetic drugs, the probable global figure for the total illicit drug industry would be approximately $360 billion. Given the conservative bias in some of the estimates for individual substances, a turnover of around $400 billion per annum is considered realistic.” Source: World Statistics Updated in Real Time

In addition, in the American media, we often hear of the Mexican and Columbian Drug Cartels but seldom do we hear that if it were not for Americans doing the same thing that some Chinese did during the Opium Wars, it would be difficult and/or impossible to sell illegal drugs to Americans.

In the US, distribution and the sale of drugs are mostly conducted by extremely violent, nationally affiliated American street gangs.

Justice.gov says, “Street gangs, outlaw motorcycle gangs, and prison gangs are the primary distributors of illegal drugs on the streets of the United States. Gangs also smuggle drugs into the United States and produce and transport drugs within the country.

“There are at least 21,500 gangs and more than 731,000 active gang members in the United States. Gangs conduct criminal activity in all 50 states and U.S. territories.”

Just because some Chinese cooperated and worked with the British, French and Americans (among other countries) that were selling illegal drugs to the Chinese people during the Opium Wars, that doesn’t mean that all Chinese were guilty. I hope Ms. Lovell makes that clear.

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15 Responses to Spinning a Web – Part 2/2

  1. Terry K Chen says:

    According to wikipedia:

    Since American Secretary of State John Hay suggested that the US$ 30 million plus Boxer Rebellion indemnity money paid to the United States was excessive, in 1909, President Roosevelt then obtained congress approval to reduce the Qing Dynasty indemnity payment by $10.8 million USD, on the condition that the said fund was to be used as scholarship for Chinese students to study in the United States. Using this fund, the Tsinghua College (清華學堂 Qīnghuá Xuétáng) was established in Beijing, China, on 22 April 1911 on the site of a former royal garden belonging to a prince.[5] It was first a preparatory school for students later sent by the government to study in the United States. The faculty members for sciences were recruited by the YMCA from the United States and its graduates transferred directly to American schools as juniors upon graduation. In 1925, the school established its College Department and started its research institute on Chinese Study.

  2. terry chen says:

    Not sure by how much. But I’m pretty sure that happened. My dad told me that story every time we visited qing hua

  3. terry chen says:

    Regarding the qinghua university issue, its not as noble as you think. From what I’ve heard, the Chinese government was so incompetent they gave the US more than the treaty asked for. The US was not so terrible to take the surplus as well, so they used the extra money to fund qinghua university

  4. terry chen says:

    The US government was so morally just back then? Forgive me, but its very hard for me to imagine the current US congress coming to a similar decision. I sincerely hope that China will never be as expansionist ad the US currently are.

    • U.S. politicians may sounds as if they are morally just in their speeches for re-election, but most of them lie often and have always been morally corrupt as far back as the 18th century when the colonies fought free from the British Empire. Today is no different from any decade in America’s history. To climb high in politics and gain real power in a democracy usually means selling your soul to special interests donating to the next re-election.

      There’s a movie coming soon called “Amigo”, which is about the US occupation of the Philippians in 1900 and from the trailer of the movie, it appears to be showing just how brutal the US was then. This is a little bit of US history that most Ameicans do not know happened.


  5. Terry K Chen says:

    Whats her point? There are terrible people in every country and it makes it even more sick that the British paid Chinese to betray their own country. I’ll be paying close attention to the book reviews when the book comes out.

    • Terry,

      It’s possible she will reveal new facts, When Sterling Seagrave wrote “Dragon Lady”, we learned more about that era from facts that had not been revealed to the public before.

      From other sources, I’ve learned that in England’s parlament there was a minority that spoke out about selling opium to China as being immoral and the US was invovled in the Opium Wars for about two years while the topic was debated in Congress, which eventually led to the US pulling America’s troops out early because unlike Britian’s paralament, the US majority in Congress decided it was immoral and the US had to pull its troops out. Of course, that did not stop private US citizens from continuing to profit by selling opium in China or exploiting Chinese workers.

      • Xiaohu Liu says:

        America was much less comfortable in an imperial than Britain was back then. If I remember right Tsinghua University was setup by the US using a part of the boxer indemnity, and promoted Chinese students to study in America.

        Of course Tsinghua today is a first rate university and arguably the best in China.

      • Xiaohu,

        I’ve also heard this (I may have read of it too) about the US using part or all of its boxer indemnity to fund Tsinghua University. Using money to right a wrong has a deep history in most cultures–China included.

  6. Xiaohu Liu says:

    Another interesting aspect is how the war on drugs has been used as a cover for US army to teach repressive regimes like Columbia how better to suppress its own people.

    First hand account from an ex-Delta and green beret talking about his tour in South America.

    starts at 19:32

    • The war on drugs may have been only a part of the natural progression of events considering that the US government was in bed with Nazi war criminals after World War II. Part 1 leads to Part 2.

      The CIA called Part 1 “Operation Paperclip” — In other words, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend (no matter how horrible he may be).”

      The CIA hired hundreds of Hitler’s secret agents. Many were Nazi war criminals guilty of war crimes during World War II. These monsters shared their secrets with the CIA and helped trained many CIA agents.

      These Nazi’s were envolved in the killing of millions in ovens and gas chambers during World War II. The persecution and genocide were carried out in stages and this meant that every element of Nazi Germany’s bureaucracy was involved in the logistics that led to the genocides, turning the Third Reich into what one Holocaust scholar has called “a genocidal state”.

      These were the people the US helped to escape and then hid from the war crimes trials that followed World War II. How many did this criminals murder?

      – about 5.9 million Jews
      – 2 to 3 million Soviet Prisoners of War
      – about 2 million ethnic Poles (Poland)
      – between 220,000 to 1.5 million Romanians (and many more)

      Altogether, about 12 million were murdered by the Nazi’s the US hired into the CIA and helped hide.

      • Xiaohu Liu says:

        Seems like same sort of immoral pragmatism that jumped started the US biological weapons program. There was a Japanese army unit that did biological weapons testing on Chinese civilians throughout the occupation. After the war, all of the Japanese doctors running the program were given immunity in return for helping the US.

        The head of the program moved to Maryland and continued his work there.

      • Xiaohu,

        This is the first time I’ve heard of the Japanese doctors. Do you have any names or books on the topic so I can learn more? I have read that the US used American military troops to see what radiation exposure would do to humans by placing them close to the blasts of nuclear test bombs–not close enough to burn but cloes enough to be exposed to the radiation, and the CIA did some tests of some kind with gas/biologicals (or something similar) in the New York subway system. Then there is the Agent Orange that the US used in Vietnam exposing all of their troops and all of the Vietnamese people, which has resulted in many deformities and deaths.

        Then there are the tests on prisoners in US prisons.

    • Xiaohu Liu says:

      What I’ve read is basically the wiki entry for one of the biological warfare units in the IJA.


      and a documentary from the history channel (available on Youtube)

      Honestly though this is not something I’ve not been able to bring myself into looking deeper into. I kind of fear that it will cause me to hate and to grieve more than it is healthy to.

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